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i'm angry at the church pastor; please pray - Guest - 08-13-2010 12:46 PM
I'm a chemical engineering student at a philadelphia college where I attend a campus ministry (CRU). On sundays we carpool to a church in a wealthy suburb of philadelphia-- it's predominantly white, I tag along, I think nothing of it.
My baptism was not what I expected it to be, I was placed last in line and the pastor didn't pass me the microphone; ok, no big deal, I don't like public statements of faith.
During bible study the same pastor exhibits selective deafness, he dismisses my questions, I no longer participate, and this is a problem now, apparently i'm not engaged. He regularly comments on my origin and the good works the church does there, now implying I grew up in the same poor, desolate, crime-ridden conditions he knows; I've repeatedly stated I grew up in a metropolitan city.
Recently we met for lunch after bible study; the pastor came along. He inquired about my family. He brought up drug cartels in my country and asked if my parents had ever been involved, if not, how could they afford my education. I had to reiterate my mother is a lawyer, my father runs a multinational, we live in a city with a flourishing economy, I did not grow up in a shack.
I talked about this recently with friends from CRU. Seems like i'm not the first to bring issues up, others have felt "left out", i've learnt there's carpools that go to predominantly asian, black, and hispanic churches (with folks I don't know yet). I guess it's race above faith.
I'm angry, insulted, and humiliated; I know i'm different, why can't I enjoy my visits to church? Sometimes I ask myself if there's something inherent in faith that causes people to be oblivious, fearful, ignorant, and in some cases even purposefully divisive. When this pastor conducts service, I grow angry and my faith lingers. To everyone else, "that was a great service, praise the Lord".
RE: i'm angry at the church pastor; please pray - Guest - 08-13-2010 01:09 PM
God Bless you.
The origonal, "church," was group meetings in homes.
Some people feel most comfortable with their Christian church of origin, some don't have a Christian church of origin, there are options.
That doesn't alleviate your frustrations.
I've ran across some that seem very humble, some are great speakers but do not have good one on one skills (which is what this preacher sounds like). Each person recieves, The Word, differently.
It is not easy to, "start over," with a new church, getting used to new people, but it sounds like maybe that is where The Lord is calling you. Perhaps The Lord Is Wanting someone to notice (along with HIM?) that the preacher is singling others out?
HE IS OUR FATHER!
& AMEN! God Bless you & on your search for Christian community!
Maybe you are a leader, & the search will be a bit more complicated/ maybe start a home group/ or find a home based church group (God Calls us out sometimes for HIS GREATER GLORY. Listen to HIS CALLING For you!
Guest Wrote:I'm a chemical engineering student at a philadelphia college where I attend a campus ministry (CRU). On sundays we carpool to a church in a wealthy suburb of philadelphia-- it's predominantly white, I tag along, I think nothing of it.
My baptism was not what I expected it to be, I was placed last in line and the pastor didn't pass me the microphone; ok, no big deal, I don't like public statements of faith.
During bible study the same pastor exhibits selective deafness, he dismisses my questions, I no longer participate, and this is a problem now, apparently i'm not engaged. He regularly comments on my origin and the good works the church does there, now implying I grew up in the same poor, desolate, crime-ridden conditions he knows; I've repeatedly stated I grew up in a metropolitan city.
Recently we met for lunch after bible study; the pastor came along. He inquired about my family. He brought up drug cartels in my country and asked if my parents had ever been involved, if not, how could they afford my education. I had to reiterate my mother is a lawyer, my father runs a multinational, we live in a city with a flourishing economy, I did not grow up in a shack.
I talked about this recently with friends from CRU. Seems like i'm not the first to bring issues up, others have felt "left out", i've learnt there's carpools that go to predominantly asian, black, and hispanic churches (with folks I don't know yet). I guess it's race above faith.
I'm angry, insulted, and humiliated; I know i'm different, why can't I enjoy my visits to church? Sometimes I ask myself if there's something inherent in faith that causes people to be oblivious, fearful, ignorant, and in some cases even purposefully divisive. When this pastor conducts service, I grow angry and my faith lingers. To everyone else, "that was a great service, praise the Lord".
RE: i'm angry at the church pastor; please pray - Guest - 08-13-2010 05:58 PM
Guest Wrote:I'm angry, insulted, and humiliated; I know i'm different, why can't I enjoy my visits to church? Sometimes I ask myself if there's something inherent in faith that causes people to be oblivious, fearful, ignorant, and in some cases even purposefully divisive. When this pastor conducts service, I grow angry and my faith lingers. To everyone else, "that was a great service, praise the Lord".
Lord Jesus, shed light on this young man. Son, God is not a god of anger, Christ is Love. Remove the plank from your eye before attempting to remove the speck of dust from your brother's. Your pastor likely had the best of intentions. Im tired of immigrants complaining about work, education, and now church. America has become a melting pot of foreigners and muslims, things have gone from bad to worst, now our economy is down the tubes thanks to mr. hussein obama. You fail to recognize the work your church mission accomplishes in your country son. Rather than coming here to complain you should consider going back to your country and doing something about it so we don't have to fix it for you. God bless.
RE: i'm angry at the church pastor; please pray - Guest - 08-13-2010 06:16 PM
Oh my, Lord humble this last guest, the words they speak are of anger, not the original poster. The orig poster/guest is only saying they are hurt, their anger is because they are feeling hurt, whereas your comments back to them, that they are wrong because they are an immigrant, only solidify this guest's orig comments.
Prejudice is alive & well & it is of the devil, not of God.
JESUS, I ask that this orig poster, not take these comments to heart, but that they see clearly, & to keep moving, with CHRIST, away from those that are angry & seek to single out those that are different or weak, or in need. They may not mean to all the time, no, but to blatantly slam this guest that he is wrong, this is not making sense to me. I sense grave anger in your post, your reply that they are immigrant & you are sick of immigrants. This comment is a comment of arrogance. This is not your country or my country, this is God's Country. The poster was merely saying they are hurt, they are angered (HURT). Your comments back come from a self righteous anger that is selfish ( that you are sick of immigrants & their complaining/ shame on you! ).
This is not a comment of God, this is not right. In Jesus' Name I Rebuke this.
Guest Wrote:Guest Wrote:I'm angry, insulted, and humiliated; I know i'm different, why can't I enjoy my visits to church? Sometimes I ask myself if there's something inherent in faith that causes people to be oblivious, fearful, ignorant, and in some cases even purposefully divisive. When this pastor conducts service, I grow angry and my faith lingers. To everyone else, "that was a great service, praise the Lord".
Lord Jesus, shed light on this young man. Son, God is not a god of anger, Christ is Love. Remove the plank from your eye before attempting to remove the speck of dust from your brother's. Your pastor likely had the best of intentions. Im tired of immigrants complaining about work, education, and now church. America has become a melting pot of foreigners and muslims, things have gone from bad to worst, now our economy is down the tubes thanks to mr. hussein obama. You fail to recognize the work your church mission accomplishes in your country son. Rather than coming here to complain you should consider going back to your country and doing something about it so we don't have to fix it for you. God bless.
RE: i'm angry at the church pastor; please pray - Guest - 08-13-2010 06:26 PM
Lord, educate this person that posts that immigrants are somehow not right or needy or less than, they are not educated by YOU, Lord, they need YOUR KNOWLEDGE, & it is obvious they don't have it worked out yet. "You will know them by their fruits, PEACE, LOVE, & JOY."
I am inclined to believe that this guest that posted this reply about how immigrants are less than needs far more prayer than the orig poster too! LORD JESUS, asking YOUR CORRECTION in this matter.
Guest Wrote:Guest Wrote:I'm angry, insulted, and humiliated; I know i'm different, why can't I enjoy my visits to church? Sometimes I ask myself if there's something inherent in faith that causes people to be oblivious, fearful, ignorant, and in some cases even purposefully divisive. When this pastor conducts service, I grow angry and my faith lingers. To everyone else, "that was a great service, praise the Lord".
Lord Jesus, shed light on this young man. Son, God is not a god of anger, Christ is Love. Remove the plank from your eye before attempting to remove the speck of dust from your brother's. Your pastor likely had the best of intentions. Im tired of immigrants complaining about work, education, and now church. America has become a melting pot of foreigners and muslims, things have gone from bad to worst, now our economy is down the tubes thanks to mr. hussein obama. You fail to recognize the work your church mission accomplishes in your country son. Rather than coming here to complain you should consider going back to your country and doing something about it so we don't have to fix it for you. God bless.
RE: i'm angry at the church pastor; please pray - Guest - 08-13-2010 06:57 PM
Unless this poster (the complainer about immigrants) is a Native American, they too are immigrant.
& I heard Nothing postive in the statements made (your Christian? reply to them), nothing Godly.
All I can think, is when one walks through THE PEARLY GATES,
will God Say, "YOU ARE FOREIGNER, I DO NOT KNOW YOU, GET OUT!"
Please sir/mam, humble yourself, what you speak is out of ignorance, & not out of a heart of love for God.
This man is saying they are hurt by, you are merely just an angry person & I pray that God Helps you overcome this.
In Jesus' Name. Amen.
Guest Wrote:Guest Wrote:I'm angry, insulted, and humiliated; I know i'm different, why can't I enjoy my visits to church? Sometimes I ask myself if there's something inherent in faith that causes people to be oblivious, fearful, ignorant, and in some cases even purposefully divisive. When this pastor conducts service, I grow angry and my faith lingers. To everyone else, "that was a great service, praise the Lord".
Lord Jesus, shed light on this young man. Son, God is not a god of anger, Christ is Love. Remove the plank from your eye before attempting to remove the speck of dust from your brother's. Your pastor likely had the best of intentions. Im tired of immigrants complaining about work, education, and now church. America has become a melting pot of foreigners and muslims, things have gone from bad to worst, now our economy is down the tubes thanks to mr. hussein obama. You fail to recognize the work your church mission accomplishes in your country son. Rather than coming here to complain you should consider going back to your country and doing something about it so we don't have to fix it for you. God bless.
RE: i'm angry at the church pastor; please pray - bcshelvsme - 08-13-2010 08:36 PM
Lord give strength, encouragement, and wisdom to this young man. Remove all anger from him so his spirit won't be killed by prejudice and ignorant people even in the churches. Let him see even pastors are human with a background which probably taught him to be that way. You taught us to pray for those that trespass against us. Help him pray for this pastor instead of letting anger destroy the joy of his salvation. Also so his prayers won't be hindered for not forgiving others when he prays. May he be a good example to this pastor of what a real Christian really is like. May the pastor also learn that not all immigrants are the same. There are well to do people in those countries with money they worked hard for, and more educated probably than the pastor himself. Open the eyes of this pastor Lord and have him show your love and compassion instead of prejudice, which comes from the enemy and not from you. May this pastor learn to do your work and not the work of the enemy. I pray your perfect will be done in this young man's life, and in his situation in Jesus Christ Precious Name, as I thank you in advance Heavenly Father to whom all the Honor, and the Glory belongs, Amen!
Mathew 18:19 - 20
"Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them
RE: i'm angry at the church pastor; please pray - Guest - 08-14-2010 03:03 AM
God please help this person not be angry and find good people.
RE: i'm angry at the church pastor; please pray - Guest - 08-14-2010 04:04 AM
God Does Not like us being lukewarm, thus some are fine with the status quo, or being nice to the fitter-inners. If this is something that bothers you, then maybe God Is Calling On you, that you become a leader among men. Anger is an emotion that is human, there is nothing wrong with anger, it is what we do with our anger that matters & to God. God Gets Angry, Jesus Was Angered at times, anger is not bad, it is what we do with it that counts & to HIM.
I would find another church, be creative in your search. If you believe this situation is not going to change, & you find that this is commonplace or that you are moved (by your anger) to do something in regards (there is much prejudice in the world / this is part of the evil one/ yes & division ). That is a gift that as a Christian you have. The ability to make things better, if not in the church you are, & you find there is a lack, then be a starter, perhaps form a group.
When we take what is not good & help to make it better, however that is, our abilities, talents, desires & calling, the world is a better place. Anger is not wrong, it is what we do with it that changes the world, for better or worse. God Bless you!
Guest Wrote:I'm a chemical engineering student at a philadelphia college where I attend a campus ministry (CRU). On sundays we carpool to a church in a wealthy suburb of philadelphia-- it's predominantly white, I tag along, I think nothing of it.
My baptism was not what I expected it to be, I was placed last in line and the pastor didn't pass me the microphone; ok, no big deal, I don't like public statements of faith.
During bible study the same pastor exhibits selective deafness, he dismisses my questions, I no longer participate, and this is a problem now, apparently i'm not engaged. He regularly comments on my origin and the good works the church does there, now implying I grew up in the same poor, desolate, crime-ridden conditions he knows; I've repeatedly stated I grew up in a metropolitan city.
Recently we met for lunch after bible study; the pastor came along. He inquired about my family. He brought up drug cartels in my country and asked if my parents had ever been involved, if not, how could they afford my education. I had to reiterate my mother is a lawyer, my father runs a multinational, we live in a city with a flourishing economy, I did not grow up in a shack.
I talked about this recently with friends from CRU. Seems like i'm not the first to bring issues up, others have felt "left out", i've learnt there's carpools that go to predominantly asian, black, and hispanic churches (with folks I don't know yet). I guess it's race above faith.
I'm angry, insulted, and humiliated; I know i'm different, why can't I enjoy my visits to church? Sometimes I ask myself if there's something inherent in faith that causes people to be oblivious, fearful, ignorant, and in some cases even purposefully divisive. When this pastor conducts service, I grow angry and my faith lingers. To everyone else, "that was a great service, praise the Lord".
RE: i'm angry at the church pastor; please pray - Guest - 08-14-2010 08:49 AM
& let the anger be the fire, as The Refiner's Fire, of God, that helps you to make a difference, the air, which fans the flames, can be your passion that you know prejudice, the feeling of being left out, so you make a difference, however that be, you are educated, you come from a very educated family, use that knowledge, aligned with God, to make a difference, & it is good to love always, so not in treating those that are comfortable with what is, poorly or staying in that place, either physically or mentally, as it is, but doing what you can do, there or somewhere! When the flames become intense (anger), the use water (baptism) to calm them, channel the gifts & talents that God Gives you, for HIM.
Guest Wrote:I'm a chemical engineering student at a philadelphia college where I attend a campus ministry (CRU). On sundays we carpool to a church in a wealthy suburb of philadelphia-- it's predominantly white, I tag along, I think nothing of it.
My baptism was not what I expected it to be, I was placed last in line and the pastor didn't pass me the microphone; ok, no big deal, I don't like public statements of faith.
During bible study the same pastor exhibits selective deafness, he dismisses my questions, I no longer participate, and this is a problem now, apparently i'm not engaged. He regularly comments on my origin and the good works the church does there, now implying I grew up in the same poor, desolate, crime-ridden conditions he knows; I've repeatedly stated I grew up in a metropolitan city.
Recently we met for lunch after bible study; the pastor came along. He inquired about my family. He brought up drug cartels in my country and asked if my parents had ever been involved, if not, how could they afford my education. I had to reiterate my mother is a lawyer, my father runs a multinational, we live in a city with a flourishing economy, I did not grow up in a shack.
I talked about this recently with friends from CRU. Seems like i'm not the first to bring issues up, others have felt "left out", i've learnt there's carpools that go to predominantly asian, black, and hispanic churches (with folks I don't know yet). I guess it's race above faith.
I'm angry, insulted, and humiliated; I know i'm different, why can't I enjoy my visits to church? Sometimes I ask myself if there's something inherent in faith that causes people to be oblivious, fearful, ignorant, and in some cases even purposefully divisive. When this pastor conducts service, I grow angry and my faith lingers. To everyone else, "that was a great service, praise the Lord".