(09-21-2011 04:00 PM)mililani888 Wrote:  This is in response to "m12281515" debate on the message I posted above regarding 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit I am not here to debate God's written word, I only posted explaining their meanings.

Your statements above are from "Daniel Revelation Bible Studies" website. You are trying to make an argument and reasons that it is not my intent and the Holy Spirit is my witness. You left out and failed to copy of the title of the message you posted which is from "Daniel Revelation Bible Studies" website. You are just picking sections that you want to post supposedly to convic someone which is deceiving.

And for [Guest's]...regarding "Seek the kingdom of God...." Jesus is telling the people; don't be so concerned of yourself and materials things, i.e, give me, I want, etc. Some of us are reading the Bible and not understanding the whole message, that is why we need the Holy Spirit to give us understanding. I do agree before you start asking God; give me a new job, give me, give me and so on, this is the verse everyone should keep in their heart. I don't claim to profess everything and I am still learning everyday. That's is why we need to read the Bible everyday with the Holy Spirit. By the way, Discernment is not prophecy.

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Here is the entirety of message from "Daniel Revelation Bible Studies website" which 'm12281515' copied but elimated some sections. We are to test every spirits, did you not understand it?
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Five tests
There are at least five tests mentioned in Scripture to test a person claiming to be a prophet of God to see if he is a true prophet or false prophet.

1. Fruit inspection

Jesus, knowing the last days would be filled with false prophets, said we should measure a prophet by his lifestyle. “Watch out for false prophets. They will come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit, you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:15-20)

Even more, Jesus knowing that false prophets can heal the sick, cast out demons and work wonderful miracles, goes on to say that miracles are not to be received as evidence or credibility. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:21-23) Imagine the surprise many people will have when they are told that their wonderful miracles, done in the name of Jesus, occurred through the power of Satan!

2. Be skeptical of any prophet working miracles

Jesus warned that many would come in His name at the end of the world and deceive many people with great signs and miracles. “At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is Christ!” or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christ’s and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.” (Matthew 24:23-25)

By leading the world to believe that people are currently in heaven or hell, Satan has carefully set the stage for a series of demonstrations that will capture the attention of the world. Many of the miracles will involve direct and open communication with those who have died! By having apparitions appear in various places, Satan will confirm his deceptions by having dead people say that false doctrines are truth! The masses will receive these delusions with enthusiasm because they do not know what the Bible says. In reality, this is nothing less than the work of demons. Now you can see why the power granted to the Two Witnesses, the Bible and the Holy Spirit, is so great. They not only combat the demons from the Abyss, they must overcome great ignorance!

Isaiah saw the great danger of people turning to these exciting and mysterious events. He warned, “When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.” (Isaiah 8:19-20)

The term “law” used by Isaiah refers to the first books of the Bible, a phrase we often see in Scripture. The term, “testimony” refers to the Ten Commandments of God. The ark that contained the tables of stone is often called the “ark of the testimony.” (Exodus 25:21,22) Isaiah is saying that if a prophet’s words do not agree with the Scriptures and the law of God, the prophet is full of darkness. In addition, in truth, the false teaching of the immortality of the soul has become almost universally accepted and predisposes most of the world to accept the teachings of false prophets.

3. Does the prophet obey the commandments of God?

John places a great deal of weight on the importance of the law of God. Persons that lead people to rebel against God’s commandments cannot have the true gift of prophecy. In Revelation, the remnants are not only identified as having the gift of prophecy, they “obey the commandments of God.”

Throughout his writings, John stresses the importance of obedience to God-not as a means of salvation, but as a result of their love for God. “Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” (John 14:21)

Jesus, our Creator, has the right to ask human beings for obedience. He not only created us, He created all the laws by which we live. Neither natural nor moral laws can be violated without serious consequence. Jesus gives us the choice of whether we will obey Him and worship Him. He will not force us.

A person having the true gift of prophecy must be in compliance with the truths that God has revealed. John says, “The man who says, ‘I know him,’ but does not what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.” (1 John 2:4-6)

Since the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment will be the object of special attention during the trumpets, the importance of this test is critical.

4. Does the prophet strengthen the work of the gospel?

Paul says, “But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort.” (1 Corinthians 14:3) The person having the gift of prophecy must edify or strengthen the believers. As said earlier, a prophet’s life must also demonstrate the fruit of piety. The messages of true prophets bring men and woman to repentance. Paul said, “But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, ‘God is really among you!’” (1 Corinthians 14:24,25)

5. Correct interpretations of Bible prophecy essential

Jesus is omniscient. Therefore, He knows every detail about the future. He has revealed the future in the Bible and His servants, the prophets, will not miss the mark. They will neither add to the record written in Revelation nor will they take away from it. This simple point cannot be stressed hard enough.

Summary
The gift of prophecy is a deep subject. Most of the world is ignorant of the demonic forces that would lead them astray. Our age is peculiarly cursed with insight into technology while at the same time having great blindness to spiritual things.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit have been bestowed at various times and in various ways to help God’s people accomplish the commission of carrying the everlasting gospel to every nation, kindred, tongue and people. Here is a fundamental point: The gift and graces of the Holy Spirit combine to accomplish the gospel commission, not to draw attention to themselves.

An evil and wicked generation seeks proof of credibility. (Matthew 12:39) God is not challenged by demands fro signs for the devil can turn sticks into snakes too. (Exodus 7:11) The devil can heal the sick, cast out demons, speak wonderful truths and he can appear very righteous and beneficial-all to accomplish his deceitful ends.

Revelation predicts the gift of prophecy will be an identifying mark of the obedient remnant. The difference between Satan’s miracles and miracles worked by God’s servants is this: Satan’s miracles give credibility to rebellion against the Word of God while God’s miracles give credibility to the truths contained in Scripture. This is the bottom line. This separates true from false prophets.

God bless you "m12281515 and Guest" in Jesus' name. I believe with my whole heart and soul that everything in the Bible is the words of God. We are just a broken vessel and if God wants to use us, it is his Will not ours.

(09-21-2011 04:00 PM)mililani888 Wrote:  This is in response to "m12281515" debate on the message I posted above regarding 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit I am not here to debate God's written word, I only posted explaining their meanings.

Your statements above are from "Daniel Revelation Bible Studies" website. You are trying to make an argument and reasons that it is not my intent and the Holy Spirit is my witness. You left out and failed to copy of the title of the message you posted which is from "Daniel Revelation Bible Studies" website. You are just picking sections that you want to post supposedly to convic someone which is deceiving.

And for [Guest's]...regarding "Seek the kingdom of God...." Jesus is telling the people; don't be so concerned of yourself and materials things, i.e, give me, I want, etc. Some of us are reading the Bible and not understanding the whole message, that is why we need the Holy Spirit to give us understanding. I do agree before you start asking God; give me a new job, give me, give me and so on, this is the verse everyone should keep in their heart. I don't claim to profess everything and I am still learning everyday. That's is why we need to read the Bible everyday with the Holy Spirit. By the way, Discernment is not prophecy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here is the entirety of message from "Daniel Revelation Bible Studies website" which 'm12281515' copied but elimated some sections. We are to test every spirits, did you not understand it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Five tests
There are at least five tests mentioned in Scripture to test a person claiming to be a prophet of God to see if he is a true prophet or false prophet.

1. Fruit inspection

Jesus, knowing the last days would be filled with false prophets, said we should measure a prophet by his lifestyle. “Watch out for false prophets. They will come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit, you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:15-20)

Even more, Jesus knowing that false prophets can heal the sick, cast out demons and work wonderful miracles, goes on to say that miracles are not to be received as evidence or credibility. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:21-23) Imagine the surprise many people will have when they are told that their wonderful miracles, done in the name of Jesus, occurred through the power of Satan!

2. Be skeptical of any prophet working miracles

Jesus warned that many would come in His name at the end of the world and deceive many people with great signs and miracles. “At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is Christ!” or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christ’s and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.” (Matthew 24:23-25)

By leading the world to believe that people are currently in heaven or hell, Satan has carefully set the stage for a series of demonstrations that will capture the attention of the world. Many of the miracles will involve direct and open communication with those who have died! By having apparitions appear in various places, Satan will confirm his deceptions by having dead people say that false doctrines are truth! The masses will receive these delusions with enthusiasm because they do not know what the Bible says. In reality, this is nothing less than the work of demons. Now you can see why the power granted to the Two Witnesses, the Bible and the Holy Spirit, is so great. They not only combat the demons from the Abyss, they must overcome great ignorance!

Isaiah saw the great danger of people turning to these exciting and mysterious events. He warned, “When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.” (Isaiah 8:19-20)

The term “law” used by Isaiah refers to the first books of the Bible, a phrase we often see in Scripture. The term, “testimony” refers to the Ten Commandments of God. The ark that contained the tables of stone is often called the “ark of the testimony.” (Exodus 25:21,22) Isaiah is saying that if a prophet’s words do not agree with the Scriptures and the law of God, the prophet is full of darkness. In addition, in truth, the false teaching of the immortality of the soul has become almost universally accepted and predisposes most of the world to accept the teachings of false prophets.

3. Does the prophet obey the commandments of God?

John places a great deal of weight on the importance of the law of God. Persons that lead people to rebel against God’s commandments cannot have the true gift of prophecy. In Revelation, the remnants are not only identified as having the gift of prophecy, they “obey the commandments of God.”

Throughout his writings, John stresses the importance of obedience to God-not as a means of salvation, but as a result of their love for God. “Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” (John 14:21)

Jesus, our Creator, has the right to ask human beings for obedience. He not only created us, He created all the laws by which we live. Neither natural nor moral laws can be violated without serious consequence. Jesus gives us the choice of whether we will obey Him and worship Him. He will not force us.

A person having the true gift of prophecy must be in compliance with the truths that God has revealed. John says, “The man who says, ‘I know him,’ but does not what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.” (1 John 2:4-6)

Since the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment will be the object of special attention during the trumpets, the importance of this test is critical.

4. Does the prophet strengthen the work of the gospel?

Paul says, “But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort.” (1 Corinthians 14:3) The person having the gift of prophecy must edify or strengthen the believers. As said earlier, a prophet’s life must also demonstrate the fruit of piety. The messages of true prophets bring men and woman to repentance. Paul said, “But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, ‘God is really among you!’” (1 Corinthians 14:24,25)

5. Correct interpretations of Bible prophecy essential

Jesus is omniscient. Therefore, He knows every detail about the future. He has revealed the future in the Bible and His servants, the prophets, will not miss the mark. They will neither add to the record written in Revelation nor will they take away from it. This simple point cannot be stressed hard enough.

Summary
The gift of prophecy is a deep subject. Most of the world is ignorant of the demonic forces that would lead them astray. Our age is peculiarly cursed with insight into technology while at the same time having great blindness to spiritual things.

The gifts of the Holy Spirit have been bestowed at various times and in various ways to help God’s people accomplish the commission of carrying the everlasting gospel to every nation, kindred, tongue and people. Here is a fundamental point: The gift and graces of the Holy Spirit combine to accomplish the gospel commission, not to draw attention to themselves.

An evil and wicked generation seeks proof of credibility. (Matthew 12:39) God is not challenged by demands fro signs for the devil can turn sticks into snakes too. (Exodus 7:11) The devil can heal the sick, cast out demons, speak wonderful truths and he can appear very righteous and beneficial-all to accomplish his deceitful ends.

Revelation predicts the gift of prophecy will be an identifying mark of the obedient remnant. The difference between Satan’s miracles and miracles worked by God’s servants is this: Satan’s miracles give credibility to rebellion against the Word of God while God’s miracles give credibility to the truths contained in Scripture. This is the bottom line. This separates true from false prophets.

God bless you "m12281515 and Guest" in Jesus' name. I believe with my whole heart and soul that everything in the Bible is the words of God. We are just a broken vessel and if God wants to use us, it is his Will not ours.